tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post1239184486255937559..comments2024-03-20T16:53:46.636-04:00Comments on AS BEREANS DID: Wade Cox of the Christian Churches of GodMarthahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12438486498450616814noreply@blogger.comBlogger20125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-27561787484455444682016-02-20T15:36:49.573-05:002016-02-20T15:36:49.573-05:00Hi, Douglas wrote that "there were links to t...Hi, Douglas wrote that "there were links to the Australian online legal database with the record that Wade Ewart Cox, as a Captain in the Australian military, shot at his own troops during the Vietnam War to teach them a lesson, and just what the military psychiatrist thought of his actions." May I please have links to this? I'm being drawn into this group but will not proceed further. With thanks!<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-24052631468727457392014-12-12T11:59:45.703-05:002014-12-12T11:59:45.703-05:00If it has not been noted elsewhere, it should be n...If it has not been noted elsewhere, it should be noted that in 2005, Cox lost 80% of his congregation -- they were fed up with him and quite angry.<br /><br />They organized their own church, <a href="http://www.assemblyofeloah.org/" rel="nofollow">Assembly of Eloah</a>, with the very same doctrines and teaching of the ccg, but without their former leader / founder.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-58319730302505097572013-06-14T15:04:48.321-04:002013-06-14T15:04:48.321-04:00Anyone who misspells my name should not be taken s...Anyone who misspells my name should not be taken seriously as to relating their experiences with me as "From personal experience".<br /><br />They are obviously another shill for a Christian Islam false prophet -- and if from Canada, the only member of the ccg there.<br /><br />There's nothing like a loser who alienated his followers and lost 80% all at once to proclaim himself some grand poobah and prove his narcissism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-50614250391237861362011-11-07T02:21:39.569-05:002011-11-07T02:21:39.569-05:00I would suggest carefully reading all of Hebrews 8...I would suggest carefully reading all of Hebrews 8 rather than just accepting someone's interpretation of one verse. Access to a Greek/English interlinear is also very helpful.<br /><br />In response to anonymous' question regarding the law of God, I would suggest: 1truth1law.com.<br /><br />ps From personal experience Douglass Becker has never accurately or honestly portrayed his interactions with Wade Cox or CCG.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-55229892765223053392011-01-11T17:57:12.622-05:002011-01-11T17:57:12.622-05:00Hello again Anon. God's blessings to you!
You...Hello again Anon. God's blessings to you!<br /><br />You ask a legitimate question. I suggest you read our <a href="http://asbereansdid.blogspot.com/p/faq_04.html" rel="nofollow">FAQ</a>. Our answers are summarized in there.<br />But I will super-summarize for you.<br /><br />Can I show you where it says the law was abolished?<br />First I will show you what the Old Covenant was. The 10 Commandments form the foundation of the Old Covenant.<br /><br />(EXO. 34: 28) So he was there with the LORD forty days and forty nights; he neither ate bread nor drank water. And He wrote on the tablets the words of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.<br />(DEU. 4: 13) So He declared to you His covenant which He commanded you to perform, the Ten Commandments; and He wrote them on two tablets of stone.<br />(DEU. 9: 9) When I went up into the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant which the LORD made with you, then I stayed on the mountain forty days and forty nights. I neither ate bread nor drank water.<br />(DEU. 9: 11) And it came to pass, at the end of forty days and forty nights, that the LORD gave me the two tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant.<br />(DEU. 9: 15) So I turned and came down from the mountain, and the mountain burned with fire; and the two tablets of the covenant were in my two hands.<br /><br />Built upon this foundation is a list of 603 (613 in total) laws covering all aspects of Jewish life. If the Old Covenant is still in effect, then all of its laws are in effect. But if the Old Covenant is no longer in effect then none of its laws are still in effect.<br />What do we see?<br /><br />(HEB. 8: 13) In that He says, “A new covenant, ” He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.<br /><br />The Old covenant is abolished, and its requirements with it.<br /><br />I really do recommend you read the <a href="http://asbereansdid.blogspot.com/p/faq_04.html" rel="nofollow">FAQ</a>, and then go to the <a href="http://asbereansdid.blogspot.com/p/faq.html" rel="nofollow">Categories</a> page and find more detail on specifics.<br />At any rate, God go with you and guide you. <br />His blessings!xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-62392767132972053182011-01-11T15:03:25.870-05:002011-01-11T15:03:25.870-05:00Hi xHWA,
Thanks for your reply and I do agree with...Hi xHWA,<br />Thanks for your reply and I do agree with most of what you say.<br />Can you please tell me where in the Bible that the Law has been abolished. I thought Christ said that " I change not " and " Until heaven and earth pass, not one tittle or jot from the law be removed " Don't you think that the food laws still have a purpose today aswell as do other laws of Moses. What should we be keeping today do YOU think? Food laws, New moons, Ten commandments, Sabbaths???? I would love to have the time to research as much as Wade does, but who has the time? Surely someone out there is on the right path and has it backed up with real, well researched proof.<br /><br />Thanks again and God bless.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-8420006792860774712010-12-12T23:57:26.897-05:002010-12-12T23:57:26.897-05:00Yes, Wade Cox lacks interpersonal skills.
Here is...Yes, Wade Cox lacks interpersonal skills.<br /><br />Here is how you can get a better view of what this means, you can follow the these steps:<br /><br />First step is to go to the Australasian Legal Information Institute website:<br /><br />http://www.austlii.edu.au/<br /><br />Second step is to do a search in the search box with this combination:<br /><br />Australian and troops and wade and cox<br /><br />Third step is to hit the Search Button and you should get two responses:<br /><br />AustLII Databases - Documents found: 2 for (australian and troop and wade and cox) <br />1.Re Wade Ewart Cox and Department of Defence [1990] AATA 15 (2 February 1990) [100%]<br />(From Administrative Appeals Tribunal of Australia; 2 February 1990; 103 KB) <br /><br />2.Harrington-Smith on behalf of the Wongatha People v Western Australia (No 9) [2007] FCA 31 (5 February 2007) [72%]<br />(From Federal Court of Australia; 5 February 2007; 7753 KB) <br /><br />Fourth step is to select the first entry for the February 2nd 1990 entry from the Administrative Appeals Tribunal of Australia.<br /><br />You can then do a CNTL-F and find psychopath.<br /><br />Or, for awhile, do it all at once with the given link:<br /><br />http://www.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/sinodisp/au/cases/cth/AATA/1990/15.html?stem=0&synonyms=0&query=Australian%20and%20troops%20and%20wade%20and%20cox<br /><br />As for the ccg.org having the truth about history, it does not. It's a fabrication that looks impressive but remember that anyone who says that the Koran is equal to the epistles of the apostles and teaches blatant heresies such as Jesus Christ was once an archangel equal to Lucifer and that Satan will eventually be forgiven and be accepted into the Kingdom of God is a total nutcase.<br /><br />What do the military records of the psychiatrist evaluating Wade Cox say? Something about "psychopath", "aggressive", "belligerant"?<br /><br />Beware.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-59867488243154281622010-12-10T17:18:09.279-05:002010-12-10T17:18:09.279-05:00I soooooooo second that comment x, that is exactly...I soooooooo second that comment x, that is exactly right on. The God of heaven is beautiful and his truth will make one's heart lite. The God of man imagination is needfully dictatorial because it is taken for granted that the obstinate nature can be controlled by no other means. The God I worship has a better solution. The demonstration of harsh law in the Old Covenant times is God's proof of the need for his better solution. Caution,it is in leaning on our own understanding that leads to seeing God as dictatorial, and those who say they are God's servants and deny freedom are falsely representing the God of liberty. <br /><br />Jeremiah34:16-17(NIV)<br /><br /><i>16 But now you have turned around and profaned my name; each of you has taken back the male and female slaves you had set free to go where they wished. You have forced them to become your slaves again.<br /><br /> 17 “Therefore this is what the LORD says: You have not obeyed me; you have not proclaimed freedom to your own people. So I now proclaim ‘freedom’ for you, declares the LORD—‘freedom’ to fall by the sword, plague and famine. I will make you abhorrent to all the kingdoms of the earth.</i>Luchttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03711073897831398677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-21139951521908745442010-12-09T11:31:18.061-05:002010-12-09T11:31:18.061-05:00Hello, Anon!
You appear to be genuine in your sea...Hello, Anon!<br /><br />You appear to be genuine in your search. I have nothing negative to say about a genuine search. May God bless you and guide you.<br /><br />We at ABD have nothing personal against Wade. Others may, but that's their situation. We're not here to "take him down" or anything like that. We just report what Wade said, and let our readers come to their own conclusions. If you read what Wade said and say "That sounds like what I want" then off you go. Good luck with that.<br /><br />If I may give you some advice? Perhaps looking for a man to hand you the answers, or a group to solve your riddles, is not the best solution. You say you've read what Wade has written (nothing wrong with that), but did you critically read it? Did you first attempt to prove it out? Did you check his sources, find if what he said is true, test him, prove him? If not, then my advice is that you do so. It's difficult. How much easier would it be if someone just handed out the errors and it was right there for us? I argue that it's better for you if you do it yourself. <br />I did, and what I've found was offensive to me. It was long-winded and technical but factually inaccurate, filled with assumption and flawed research, and it ignores more evidence than it provides. In my estimation, he has a pre-determined conclusion and he says whatever he needs to say to force that conclusion to appear true. It sounds interesting, until you peel back the layers and see that it's the same meal Herbert Armstrong fed us, warmed over with a different sauce on top.<br /><br />Do you want the truth? The truth is in your Bible. It's His truth! Do you want a leader? The leader is Jesus Christ. He is the Great Shepherd! Do you want a law? The Old Covenant is abolished and the New Covenant law is faith and love. There is no higher law! Do you want a group? The group is the Body of Christ. And that group consists of all people that have His Spirit!<br /><br />Anyone who tells you otherwise is a liar.<br /><br />Do you want a site that will guide you into a better understanding? What understanding do want? Do you have an understanding already determined, and you're looking for a site to reinforce that? Then I'd say Wade's site is as good as any for that. <br />Or do you want a site that will challenge you to grow in faith and develop a personal relationship with Jesus Christ regardless of where that leads you? I'd say you're already here. Read ALOT of what we have. Go to other sites like Exit Support Network and read ALOT of what they have. Then go in peace, because we're not the end of the journey, just the beginning. <br /><br />We at ABD have done our own research and we share that with whoever is interested, just like Wade does. But from there we take the opposite approach. We don't want followers, we don't want sheep, and we don't want people dependent on us. We ask questions and you will be responsible for praying for the answers yourself. Because we want you to get to the heart of the matter - what "truth" are you after? Do you even want truth? Your own truth? Some man's truth? Or God's truth? We hope you're after God's truth. Well, He's right there. Don't look to us, look to Him!! Pray for the Holy Spirit alone to guide you into HIS truth. Demand His truth and none besides! Then make your decision.<br />It's yours to make and we respect that.<br /><br />But, yes. Dennis has other sites. I would mention one or two, but I would prefer Dennis tell you himself if he's willing to share that.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-60978145973783199592010-12-06T15:14:27.175-05:002010-12-06T15:14:27.175-05:00Hi all. I have searched the net for hours trying t...Hi all. I have searched the net for hours trying to find a site which has the real truth. Which doctrine or laws should we keep today? What proof do we have that what CCG are saying is wrong for today? I don't think we can fully understand the Bible without a firm grasp of history. CCG is the only site I know of who has this. I probaly will never join them but have read ALOT of their material and it does make sense. Wade may just lack people skills.?? What sites are there to guide us in a better, more accurate way? Is Douglas's site still live? Thanks for any info.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-51384458499323065632010-12-06T10:52:01.047-05:002010-12-06T10:52:01.047-05:00Hi, Anon.
I'm with Doug on this one. Looking ...Hi, Anon.<br /><br />I'm with Doug on this one. Looking for more info on them is probably not the best idea.<br />Just count your blessings that you avoided joining.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-14970867218093877222010-12-05T23:22:15.936-05:002010-12-05T23:22:15.936-05:00Hi there. Thanks for informing us of the truth abo...Hi there. Thanks for informing us of the truth about CCG. Douglas I need to know more about CCG and Wade Cox. Can you post the link to your website about CCG? Thanks.<br />Can't believe I almost joined CCG!<br />Good luck to you all seeking truth.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-33568790596515797192010-11-21T14:00:16.677-05:002010-11-21T14:00:16.677-05:00I just want it to be clear that I no longer am ass...I just want it to be clear that I no longer am associated in any way with any Armstrongist church of God.<br /><br />I find them all "disappointing" and nowhere good enough and I'm finding that I miss none of them at all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-82936890836195367982010-11-20T14:16:40.575-05:002010-11-20T14:16:40.575-05:00Well, Douglas, it sounds like you have the Wade Co...Well, Douglas, it sounds like you have the Wade Cox angle all taken care of. I'll leave it to you, then.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-28435085192633308252010-11-20T12:59:50.150-05:002010-11-20T12:59:50.150-05:00My websites were shut down as well until I got a w...My websites were shut down as well until I got a webhost that just laughed at him and refused to comply with him, completely ignoring his threats.<br /><br />Moreover, my wife and I spent 8 miserable months attending with the CCG, including the Feast of Trumpets, the Day of Atonement and the Feast of Tabernacles.<br /><br />My wife and I would travel two hours each way to Sabbath Services at the home of the United States minister where there were about 12 people from the United States and Canada. Some people came from another state 5 hours away from time to time. I took it upon myself to rent a facility [with my own money] so the people could meet mid way in Tacoma at the Royal Coachman Motel.The Day of Atonement was really special. We were in the rented room at the Royal Coachman Motel. Cox stood up preaching for eight hours over a telephone hookup from the motel room. It was potluck for after the Day of Atonement, so over on the south wall, the food was cooking. About 4 PM, I thought I was going to die, and afraid I might not.<br /><br />After twilight, we broke for dinner. The first thing that Cox did before he ate my cream of artichoke chicken [talk about feeding your enemy!] was to drink three full glasses of wine. Sorry, I don't know the brand, but it was white. It immediately energized him, so he could go another eight hours. I think you understand the implications. At least my wife and I did not miss them.<br /><br />There are many more things, like my getting a packet from the Australian government telling me I was vindicated from Cox's complaint with them. <br /><br />I've had this all up on the Internet, so there's not much excuse for not knowing about it. There were links to the Australian online legal database with the record that Wade Ewart Cox, as a Captain in the Australian military, shot at his own troops during the Vietnam War to teach them a lesson, and just what the military psychiatrist thought of his actions. I had my attorney give an opinion of what I proposed to put up on my website. My attorney produced a pro bono 12 page opinion which I posted on my website. Then I had the great fun of exposing this cultmeister one man show for all he was worth, including, but not restricted to, the articles which were written by his former church officers. The one with the picture of him buying a rosary in France for his Jewelry business conducted using ccg funds was classic.<br /><br />In 2005 or so, he disfellowshipped his second in the ccg, James DaileyJames, on his part, formed a new association known as the Assembly of Eloah (sp?), which has all of the same doctrines as the ccg, minus Cox.<br /><br />My opinion: The man is a dangerous nut job.<br /><br />My advice: Stifle your curiosity and leave him alone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-70857156550818898432010-11-19T18:24:22.513-05:002010-11-19T18:24:22.513-05:00"It is reported that Wade once tried to have ...<em>"It is reported that Wade once tried to have the Painful Truth website shut down."</em><br /><br />No, he DID get it shut down. And Gavin's and Bill's, and any other site that was critical of Armstrongism (not just his brand of the poison). Right around the same time those of us living through "the changes" probably could have used a little light on the subject....Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-33895482361801627432010-11-18T08:40:39.701-05:002010-11-18T08:40:39.701-05:00GOOD NEWS!
I have just been informed that Wade Co...GOOD NEWS!<br /><br />I have just been informed that Wade Cox considers As Bereans Did to be a "hate site."<br /><br />"Other false statements are being circulated on the anti-COG hate sites allegedly by these same people."<br /><br />We can only assume that this refers to As Bereans Did. I am not aware of any other website who reported on this.<br /><br />But I want you all to notice something and I want to make this perfectly clear -<br />What was posted here came from Wade's own words. We quoted Wade Cox verbatim from Facebook. No editing (except to remove a few off-topic sentences). We quoted Wade Cox verbatim from an email that he sent. No editing.<br />If that is "hate" then we need to point that finger at the one who did all the talking. So, Wade's own comments makes us a hate site. That's quite telling! We totally an unequivocally agree with him that his words constitute hate speech.<br /><br />Wade Cox seems to think that any negative comment against him is "malicious and criminal defamation." Unfortunately, that ignorant statement is legally incompetent. Wade says, "They do not seem to understand the requirements of civil law."<br />HA!<br /><br />"The Antinomian hate groups work together promoting the same lies and we have closed a number of them down over time for malicious and criminal defamation. No doubt we will have to continue to do so."<br /><br />Well, two can play at that game. Wade had better choose his own malicious and criminally defamatory words very carefully.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-13312527273484361762010-11-16T21:50:10.846-05:002010-11-16T21:50:10.846-05:00Now isn't this interesting...
Some people hav...Now isn't this interesting...<br /><br />Some people have been stirring the pot a little on Wade's Facebook group. One posted this comment:<br /><br />"Well, I for one love what they've done with the site. I hate it when people challenge my beliefs. How uncivilized. I only want to hear what I think - not what other people think. With the rabble cleaned out, finally there can be some meaningful bleating and parroting of Wade's doctrine."<br /><br />It wasn't 17 minutes and the post was deleted.<br /><br />A second person posted this comment:<br /><br />"I especially like how Wade will post a question, then have one of his members post a response that would seem more mainstream christian, just so Wade can correct them. So fun to read such poppycock!"<br /><br />14 minutes later that comment was deleted.<br />Honest discussion? Exchange ideas? Indeed!xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-39472711898903348112010-11-16T18:27:32.184-05:002010-11-16T18:27:32.184-05:00Some people seem to like the changes.
Tom Schardt...Some people seem to like the changes. <br />Tom Schardt, an official in the CCG, set the officially acceptable example with this comment:<br /><br />"The change of administration for this site is a very positive move that will encourage open discussion on various topics. <br /><br />Previously, this site degenerated into open and often vicious attack on individuals who did not agree or hold to the view of those who came in from another site for the sole purpose of disruption rather than honest discussion. <br /><br />At least now we can have discussion in a civil manner."<br /><br />Sounds great, Tom! Tom's wife, Lois Schardt, responded:<br /><br />"This site started out to be a very informative site until it<br />was allowed to degenerate into personal attacks instead of focusing on the<br />purpose of why this site was created. <br /><br />I am glad to see the site is back on the right track and<br />will again be a place to learn and exchange ideas."<br /><br />Now that the people know what to think, we can expect more positive bleating about exactly what Wade tells them to believe.<br /><br />Ummm, none for me, though.. thanks. I'm trying to quit.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-88648148142516249882010-11-15T15:24:27.726-05:002010-11-15T15:24:27.726-05:00The title of this post is an homage to our good fr...The title of this post is an homage to our good friend, <a href="http://livingarmstrongism.blogspot.com/2010/10/letter-to-esn-on-wade-cox-armstrongite.html" rel="nofollow">RedFox</a>, without whom we would never have had any interest in the petty tyrant and his emperor's new clothes that we see before us this day.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.com