tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post6447720422962665191..comments2024-03-28T16:55:57.201-04:00Comments on AS BEREANS DID: The Plain Truth About December 25thMarthahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12438486498450616814noreply@blogger.comBlogger62125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-60008673051183635692019-04-14T14:00:17.266-04:002019-04-14T14:00:17.266-04:00Kevin,
If the Full Study was still available you ...Kevin,<br /><br />If the Full Study was still available you would see that I address your point. But let's just focus on your comment, "Hippolytus may have written in 210ad..." Yes, he could have. And if he could have, we cannot simply ignore it. I disagree with your total dismissal.<br /><br />Couldn't help but notice you seem to say there is only one manuscript. That is not the case. There are many fragments. This adds considerably more weight than your comments would lead us to believe. Textual criticism shows that the fragments do point to translations from a much older Greek source.<br />I don't have the time to write up a whole bit on this, so I will refer to Tom Pearse's <b>2010</b> article <a href="https://www.roger-pearse.com/weblog/2010/01/12/the-text-tradition-of-hippolytus-commentary-on-daniel" rel="nofollow">The text tradition of Hippolytus “Commentary on Daniel”</a>.<br /><br />If the entirety of my case on December 25 was from Hippolytus then perhaps it would be weak. That isn't the case. <br /><br />For more, see <a href="http://asbereansdid.blogspot.com/2015/12/christmas-faq.html" rel="nofollow">Christmas FAQ</a>xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-60270491415382832019-04-02T19:02:40.171-04:002019-04-02T19:02:40.171-04:00
Hippolytus of Rome
http://www.talenenculturen.u...<br /><br />Hippolytus of Rome<br /><br />http://www.talenenculturen.ugent.be/agenda/797Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-77275980335054842662019-04-02T18:48:52.422-04:002019-04-02T18:48:52.422-04:00The biggest problem that I see with your article i...The biggest problem that I see with your article is your reliance on the supposed writings of Hippolytus on the commentary on Daniel.<br /><br />The oldest extant manuscripts that I've been able to find online come from a 16th century manuscript.<br /><br />So, just how do you know that Hippolytus concluded that Jesus' birth was Dec. 25th?<br /><br />No, the manuscript couldn't have been edited could it?<br /><br />So much for your proof. Hippolytus may have written in 210ad but if we only have copies of his writings from 1500ad there's no way that it can be relied upon!<br /><br />Kevin !cMillenKevin McMillennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-8571502062744016952017-12-23T20:29:49.563-05:002017-12-23T20:29:49.563-05:00Thanks Maxx. I've been meaning to fix that lin...Thanks Maxx. I've been meaning to fix that link ever since dropbox changed their sharing. I think I've gotten it corrected now. Please try it again and let me know.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-8808541807142978952017-12-23T20:14:23.744-05:002017-12-23T20:14:23.744-05:00Hey, I love this post, but I can't enter into ...Hey, I love this post, but I can't enter into the full study, it keeps on say "dropbox -404 not found" Maxx.mjadegirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09120689145708399542noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-14458542234227439752017-03-18T23:26:57.675-04:002017-03-18T23:26:57.675-04:00Angela,
Thanks for reading and commenting.
Some ...Angela,<br /><br />Thanks for reading and commenting.<br /><br />Some have told you that you shouldn't celebrate Christmas because Jesus nowhere told us to? We once made overly simplistic arguments like that, back when we were Armstrongists. We've since thought about what we were saying.<br /><br />Understand that people tend to say a lot of things if they believe it supports the conclusion they want to reach. None of us are immune to this. We want what we want. But let's think this through a bit.<br /><br />Do you personally believe that you shouldn't celebrate unless God specifically tells you to celebrate? I doubt you really do. I'm going to guess that the people who have told you we shouldn't celebrate unless Jesus tells us so don't actually believe that either. Jesus never commands us to celebrate the miracle of child birth, yet most do. Jesus never commands us to celebrate a baptism, yet most do. Jesus never tells us to celebrate wedding anniversaries, yet most do. Jesus never tells us to sing at church, yet most people do. Jesus never specifically commands us to celebrate most things that we celebrate. Why is it that this only becomes important all of a sudden when holidays are involved?<br /><br />You see.. These people you are hearing from celebrate a lot of things Jesus never told them to celebrate. Do they really believe their own rhetoric, then? Doesn't seem like it. If these people you hear from don't really believe what they are saying to you, then why are they saying it? Because they have something against holidays and when all of their history turns out to be false they think this is a convincing argument to fall back on. To be blunt about it - some people simply hate Christmas and make excuses.<br /><br />And where did these people get this idea in the first place? Certainly not from the Bible. Nowhere in the Bible did Jesus tell us not to celebrate anything religious unless He specifically tells us to. In our article "<a href="http://asbereansdid.blogspot.com/2014/12/established-and-imposed.html" rel="nofollow">Established and Imposed</a>", we show how the Jews invented the holiday they call Purim. They invented this holiday because they were so thankful for what God did for them. God never told them to do this. Yet there they are, celebrating anyway, and even exchanging gifts. They still do celebrate Purim! God permitted an entire book of the Bible to be devoted to the story. But that's not the only time this happened. The books of Macabees (which you may not have read because after 1,500+ years of being included in the Bible, Martin Luther decided to remove them) tell of a tale of God saving the Jews once again. The Jews were so thankful that they created the holiday of Hanukkah. God never told them to do this. Yet there they are, celebrating anyway. They still do! John 10: 22-30 makes a special mention of Jesus walking in Jerusalem during Hanukkah. God must have accepted both of these un-commanded celebrations.<br /><br />The point I'm making is that there is no Biblical or natural reason to believe that God does not want us to celebrate Him and His miracles unless He specifically commands us to. <br /><br />If He accepts those two Jewish celebrations of His saving grace, then why would He not accept a Christian celebration of the second most important miracle in the history of mankind?? God set aside His glory and became man! He could not die unless He was born. Should we not be in absolute awe of this? Should we not ponder what it took to do this incredible feat? Should we not praise God for His unsearchable wisdom and selfless generosity? <br /><br />Yes, I believe we may celebrate it. What's more, if our conscience is alright with it, I believe we should celebrate it.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-379814555721358352017-03-18T18:39:58.533-04:002017-03-18T18:39:58.533-04:00Many point out that God none Jesus say to celebrat...Many point out that God none Jesus say to celebrate the day Jesus was born. Angelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05290601757393886397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-50279472051450929012017-03-18T18:28:24.380-04:002017-03-18T18:28:24.380-04:00Many have told me even if Christmas is not pagan, ...Many have told me even if Christmas is not pagan, Jesus nowhere near told us to celebrate his birth. So should we?Angelahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05290601757393886397noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-59550892985229477562016-12-23T22:47:15.908-05:002016-12-23T22:47:15.908-05:00Yes, let's talk about Hippolytus. Let's lo...Yes, let's talk about Hippolytus. Let's look at the New Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia, one of the most-quoted resources in Armstrongism. <br /><br />This resource, which Armstrongists quote to bolster their claims about Christmas coming from pagan celebrations, goes to great lengths to demonstrate that Hippolytus CALCULATED the date, not picked it out of thin air to absorb would-be pagan converts. <br /><br />So, is this resource correct credible when it discusses potential pagan influences on December 25 but incorrect when it discusses Hippolytus' systematic steps to calculate the December 25th date? You can't have it both ways. Marthahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12438486498450616814noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-74881520622670546472016-12-23T22:03:16.409-05:002016-12-23T22:03:16.409-05:00Some words in Hippolytus' "Commentary on ...Some words in Hippolytus' "Commentary on Daniel" are disputed. But that doesn't mean it's useless or even wrong. Just means it's disputed. There are plenty of people who would throw out references to Jesus in Josephus' "Antiquities of the Jews" too. But that doesn't mean they should be thrown out. It means people should spend time doing more research. Even more people say the Bible is disputed, with claims such as Daniel and most of the Torah were written after the fact. Is it your policy to throw out everything that is disputed in those cases? No?<br /><br />But if you think this is something new you've discovered, or if it's something not as this author presents, then you've obviously not read this author's material. Here's "a taste" from our <a href="https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/8632770/The%20Plain%20Truth%20About%20December%2025.pdf" rel="nofollow">December 25 full study</a>:<br /><br />"There are many people who doubt that this manuscript is genuine, but if one takes all of Hippolutys’ works together, along with the works of other writers of that period who appear to draw from Hippolytus, and along with the work of Clement, there becomes very good reason to believe that the work is authentic and the December 25th date is exactly what Hippolytus believed. Tom Schmidt at Chronicon.net explains this in far greater detail in his article."<br /><br />So what do we see here? We have you attempting to quote Tom Schmidt to cast doubt on Hippolytus in an article that Tom Schmidt defends the authenticity and accuracy of Hippolytus.<br /><br />Yes, please do study. It would be nice.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-77438839620151332982016-12-23T21:32:34.155-05:002016-12-23T21:32:34.155-05:00"Not because the Catholics do it."
No? T..."Not because the Catholics do it."<br />No? Then what's this?<br />"You should drop all the made up catholic days"<br />Sounds pretty anti-Catholic to me.<br /><br />Hanukkah isn't a day, it's 8 days. Jesus went all the way to Jerusalem for Hanukkah (JON. 10: 22-23). Jesus is the God of the Bible and He's keeping Hanukkah. We can be certain He observed Purim as well.<br /><br />Your claim that you "keep the feasts of the lord from Leviticus 23" is nothing more than any Armstrongist would claim. I should know, I was one. But the truth is, you don't really "keep" them. You don't sacrifice animals, nor burn offerings, nor do you wave sheaves nor bake the two loaves. You don't travel to Jerusalem three times a year. All of these Leviticus 23 demands. You don't blow the shofar at Trumpets. You don't build booths out of branches at the Feast of Booths. If you're a Gentile, then you're forbidden from participating in the Passover. Probably have pot lucks and go out to restaurants on the Sabbath. You're actually doing a small fraction of what's required. That's not observing the law, that's side-stepping the law. What you're doing isn't keeping, it's pretending. You pretend to keep the feasts of Leviticus 23. And you should drop the pretense.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-16009705585673390352016-12-23T21:11:28.440-05:002016-12-23T21:11:28.440-05:00The funny part is people claiming the words on thi...The funny part is people claiming the words on this blog are as gospel but then not investigating further.<br /><br />Its NOT as clear cut and dry as this author makes to be, and you best study for yourself. <br />Here is a taste:<br /><br />https://web.archive.org/web/20120824071532/http://www.chronicon.net/chroniconfiles/Hippolytus%20and%20December%2025th.pdf<br /><br />The evidence is good that the work of Hippolytus was even corrupted and 'things' added.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-82613943405623964932016-12-23T21:03:11.918-05:002016-12-23T21:03:11.918-05:00We dont celebrate Christmas. Not because its pagan...We dont celebrate Christmas. Not because its pagan or not. Not because the Catholics do it. We keep the feasts of the lord from Leviticus 23. The ones that Jesus kept....<br /><br /><br />Those are the feasts of the God of the bible, and the same ones we can see in the books of acts and other writings the apostles and even Paul keeps (if you follow him).<br /><br /><br />You shall not add to or take away from the word.<br /><br />Not jot or word shall pass until heaven and earth pass away. <br /><br /><br />You should drop all the made up catholic days, and the other ones. This includes Easter, Halloween, and made up Jewish day Hanukkah!<br /><br /><br /><br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-8988609054656204402015-12-08T23:02:46.385-05:002015-12-08T23:02:46.385-05:00Thank you very much, this helped a lot. Definetly ...Thank you very much, this helped a lot. Definetly using this information when I defend Christmas :)Maxxjadegirlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-82337798503181077392015-12-07T19:03:49.488-05:002015-12-07T19:03:49.488-05:00I don't particularly have any links about drun...I don't particularly have any links about drunkenness. I've always just taken it on faith that people got drunk and did some very stupid things at Christmas - just like they do all year around. There isn't any reason to believe that human nature would change that for whatever reason Christmas should be exempt from drunkenness. <br /><br />It seems to me that the assumption is that if someone has ever done something sinful at Christmas then we shouldn't celebrate Christmas. I couldn't disagree with that more. It's juvenile and bears no resemblance to the world as it really is. First, prove to me that it was condoned by the church, then prove to me that it was done primarily by Christians - and do so with credible references (not just random Google searches). Aren't the same people who make these claims the very same people who say everyone who celebrated Christmas was actually pagan? They need to make up their minds.<br /><br />Some things I can demonstrate is that there are a lot of misconceptions out there fueled by wives tales and bad data. For example, the claims that crime goes up at Christmas time are false claims. Also the claims that suicide rates are highest at Christmas are false claims.<br /><br />According to modern statistics, crime rates are not higher in winter but lowest in winter:<br />http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/spcvt<br /><br />Suicide rates are not higher in winter but spring and summer:<br />http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3315262xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-6701477939700683552015-12-07T00:21:14.775-05:002015-12-07T00:21:14.775-05:00Good Points. And I also noticed another thing. Onl...Good Points. And I also noticed another thing. Only England and Massacusetts are known for this drunken, misrule, and promiscuity Christmas.(although Stephen nissenbaun claims that there was "misrule" in New York City but I can't find proof of that) The english were not the only ones who celebrated Christmas in the 16th-19th century! even if it were true, England and Massacusetts' bad behaviour doesn't define Christmas, there were plenty of other Countries that celebrated Christmas and they didn't do all of that. <br /><br />what is a Good source or good info to refute their claims about the drunken, misrule, and promiscuity Christmas in england and Massacusetts? because I know that they'll Say " just google it and look at the historytoday and Theweek website. it is documented that Christmas was full of immorality, robbery, murder and the men dressed up as women, and the women as men, and ritualised reversal of social norms like saturnalia! and the wassailing! people sang carols and went to people's houses forcing them to give them drinks or else they would become violent!"Maxxjadegirlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-80471555151490507082015-12-04T17:18:41.171-05:002015-12-04T17:18:41.171-05:00I would also note that I thought their point was t...I would also note that I thought their point was that Christmas is pagan, not that some people somewhere at some time got drunk. If we had to get rid of holidays just because some people somewhere at some time got drunk, we wouldn't do anything. People get drunk on all days, but holidays especially. Thanksgiving, Fourth of July, Memorial Day, Labor Day... all filled with drinking. It's just how life is. When I was in Armstrongism, the Feast of Tabernacles was called "The Feast of Booze" because people drank so much.<br /><br />But let's put this into some perspective. What sense does it make to abandon a holiday because some people somewhere at some time got drunk? Did Jesus abandon drunks? <br /><br />(MAT. 11: 19) The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, ‘Look, a glutton and a winebibber, a friend of tax collectors and sinners!’ But wisdom is justified by her children.”<br /><br />Are we not to eat and drink? Isn't the entire Eucharist a meal which includes wine? In Deuteronomy 14: 26, doesn't God condone drinking and feasting at celebrations? Aren't we supposed to be thankful? Now, I'm not condoning drunkenness or that, but what is the point of claiming that we should abandon something just because some people are drunks? Aren't we all sinners? Don't we all need the Bible? Why withdraw a religious celebration because people are sinners? Jesus came to call the lost sheep. He came to be a physician to the sick. Why abandon a holiday which is one of the only days of the year that some people go to church? Why close down the one thing they have? It makes no sense to me.<br /><br />And it does nothing to demonstrate that the day is pagan.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-47216642043621098362015-12-03T20:43:42.759-05:002015-12-03T20:43:42.759-05:00I would respond to those people that the Puritans ...I would respond to those people that the Puritans didn't ban Christmas because of any of those things. The Puritans did not just ban Christmas, so what is their excuse for why they banned the many other things? The answer is they banned Christmas because they were ultra-conservative and anti-Catholic. The history of why the Puritans banned Christmas is known. It's documented. These anti-Christmas people can try to put words into the mouths of the Puritans, and they can try to spin the events of history, but the facts don't work that way. <br /><br />Ask them what anything in the 19th century could possibly have to do with people from the 16th century. Would things people do three hundred years from now effect you? Of course not.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-39624535614556726152015-12-03T14:30:31.196-05:002015-12-03T14:30:31.196-05:00Those are great points, especially with the lunar ...Those are great points, especially with the lunar calender. I also didn't know about the traditional German meal for holidays until you posted it. that is good, because Christmas haters and wiccans LOVE to say that "our Christmas meal is straight from Yule" <br /> <br />I'll also add that it seems mostly all of the websites don't say yule was on the 25th, they say that "yule is a ancient germanic and scandiavian pagan holiday that was celebrated on winter solsice on December 21st through the 22nd every year." but even that's wrong, because they were using a lunar calender, not the solar calender. wiccans and pagans will even admit on their own websites that they use a lunar calender but then in the next paragraph they say "Yule was celebrated every December 21st - 22nd." But germans and scandinavians didn't have a "December" month, because they didn't use the julian calender. <br /><br />I have another question though, the anti-Christmas people will also say that "in the 1600's Puritans HAD to ban Christmas because the people who celebrating it got drunk, was violent and made riot in the streets! this is an evil holiday! there were riots and vionce in the streets during Christmas up to the 19th century! just read stephen nissenbaun's book! and, rates of violence and suicide is higher during Christmas!" How do I respond to this? <br />Maxxjadegirlnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-65297489391732337172015-11-26T13:47:11.536-05:002015-11-26T13:47:11.536-05:00Most of those claims about Christmas coming from Y...Most of those claims about Christmas coming from Yule are not so, but personally I think the most laughable claim is the one about ham for Christmas dinner. That's a fairly recent tradition. Read Dickens' "A Christmas Carol." What did they eat? Goose.<br /><br />German traditional dinners:<br />"The traditional German holiday meal consists of duck, goose, rabbit or a roast, accompanied by German delicacies such as apple and sausage stuffing, red cabbage, and potato dumplings. Even the American fruitcake was adapted from one of the most famous German delicacies, Stollen."<br />http://germanfoods.org/german-food-facts/german-christmas-traditions/<br /><br />Historic Christmas dinners, the earliest do not include ham:<br />http://www.foodtimeline.org/christmasmenu.htmlxHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-70437790717573749042015-11-26T09:40:26.529-05:002015-11-26T09:40:26.529-05:00I was thinking about this last night and this morn...I was thinking about this last night and this morning, and perhaps another thing to be aware of is that just because something is called <i>Yule ...</i> doesn't necessarily mean it is of pagan origin.<br /><br />There are a lot of things that we don't have any history for. Most of the things people claim about Yule simply are not based in a legitimate, documented history (as I mentioned in my earlier comments). One of the things that simply isn't based on actual historical record is that all traditions which bear the name Yule actually come from Yule. Sounds odd? But it's true.<br /><br />We need to keep in mind that when German rulers converted to Christianity, they often altered native practices in an attempt to bring them closer into line with Christianity. They also changed the names of Christian celebrations to adopt native terminology. When the Germans changed the names of Christian festivals from Latin into adopted German phrases, we get such things as Pascha being called Easter or Christmas being called Yule. In particular, Charlemagne was a scourge of German paganism. He did quite a bit to suppress paganism in Germania. Yet he allowed the German names of Christian feasts to remain. It wasn't long until Yule and Christmas were absolutely synonymous. When you read the Schaff-Herzog Encyclopedia of Religious Knowledge (1912) article on Yuletide [http://books.google.com/books?id=n2EhAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA491&lpg=PA491#v=onepage&q&f=false], you see the article is not at all about Yule but entirely about Christmas.<br /><br />There is little reason to believe that Christmas was changed to adopt Yule, but there is every reason to believe that traditions associated with Christmas were called Yule. With no ancient source material to tell us details about such things, we simply do not know.<br />These things spread through that entire area, and up into England, and across the Atlantic to America.<br /><br />We shouldn't be surprised by this. Most people who cry "pagan!" at this unwittingly accept the same things. Armstrongism, for example, observes their own version of Jewish Holy Days, but none of them by their Jewish names. There is absolutely nothing wrong with changing the names! It's inconsequential. Hebrew Roots would make a huge deal about this, even to the point of having us believe that if we don't pronounce Jesus' name in a particular Hebrew way (which they don't all agree on precisely what that is), then we can't be saved. Except that idea doesn't come from the Bible or the example of the early church. What does come from the Bible and the example of the early church? Names being changed into native dialects. So simply calling Christmas as "Yuletide" is absolutely not any evidence of anything at all. It isn't paganizing. It isn't heretical. It's quite unfortunate that it opens an opportunity for people who are inclined to hateful negativity to point their fingers and cry "pagan!" but that says to much less about Christmas or Easter as it does about the condition of the hearts of some people.<br /><br />It's all just semantics and making a huge to-do about nothing!xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-9830328349768651552015-11-25T20:00:46.275-05:002015-11-25T20:00:46.275-05:00Another thing you need to know is there are a lot ...Another thing you need to know is there are a lot of garbage websites out there. <br /><br />Most of what you should be looking for will not be found on websites, but in history books. Make sure those books are written by well respected modern authorities or by the oldest most primary sources you can find. Google Books is your friend.<br /><br />A website can be made by just about anyone. Just because you come across a website that makes a claim, or a hundred websites, that doesn't mean anything. Most Americans still believe that George Washington had wooden teeth. Yet George Washington did not have wooden teeth. <br /><br />When you go around, notice how the tales told by these websites are wildly different one from the other. They don't make uniform claims. They don't cite their sources. They say outrageous things that are easily dismissed. Why? Because their stuff is made up. Lots and lots of Wiccans and Neopagans are out there building websites and just making things up as they go along in a fanciful attempt to legitimize their religious views.<br /><br />For example the claim about the Twelve Days of Christmas. The Twelve Days of Christmas are the days between Christmas and Epiphany. These days have been around since the 200's AD. Christianity had not spread into Germania yet. How could anything German be the source of the Twelve Days of Christmas? It cannot! Can they prove Yule was 12 days long? No. As we demonstrated earlier, they can't even demonstrate that Yule was on the 25th of December. Lots of Germanic traditions made their way into England through conquests and into America - but how do they explain the traditions through the rest of Europe? They can't. They don't even try. They just cite each other in a huge circular reference.<br /><br />Don't believe every website you read.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-31785642786524153272015-11-25T19:18:08.071-05:002015-11-25T19:18:08.071-05:00There are a few things you have to keep in mind.
...There are a few things you have to keep in mind.<br /><br />First, the ancient Germans used a lunar calendar, they didn't use a solar calendar.<br /><br />What difference does that make? The Muslims use a lunar calendar. Have you ever noticed how Ramadan can be at any time of the year? That's because lunar and solar calendars do not align but once every 19 years. That is, unless you correct the calendar against some other celestial event, like the rising of the star Sirius like the Egyptians did. The Muslims do not correct their calendar, so their calendar only lines up with our solar calendar once every 19 years. If the ancient Germans did not correct their calendar, there was no way for them to do anything on December 25th every year.<br /><br />Some people claim that the ancient Germans would correct their calendar on the first full moon after the winter solstice. Full disclosure, I haven't studied this so I can neither confirm nor deny. It makes sense. They usually had important gatherings on full moons. But let's say it's true. Is the first full moon after the winter solstice on December 25th? Only sometimes. In 2015 it is! But the last time that happened was 1977, and the next time will be in 2034.<br /><br />So ask them to tell you how on earth the peoples of those areas at those times could possibly have done anything on December 25th every year?xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-47842817932390976462015-11-25T18:17:33.372-05:002015-11-25T18:17:33.372-05:00There's this from the full study:
Well, our f...There's this from the full study:<br /><br />Well, our first records of Yule come from around 700 AD by our old friend the Venerable Bede in his<br />work “De Temporum Ratione” <br />[https://books.google.com/books?id=yFsw-Vaup6sC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false]<br /><br />“Nor is it irrelevant if we take the trouble to translate the names of the other months. The<br />months of Guili derive their name from the day when the Sun turns back [and begins] to<br />increase, because of one of [these months] precedes [this day] and the other follows.” <br />xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-33058263523577353282015-11-25T01:55:34.694-05:002015-11-25T01:55:34.694-05:00Hey xHWA,
Thanks for responding :) I have another...Hey xHWA,<br /><br />Thanks for responding :) I have another question though. is there other sources that say that germans didn't hold a yule feast? because it is all over the internet that "Yule heavly influenced Christmas and that's we get the idea of decorating with holly, evergreens, ivy, yule log giving gifts, 12 days of Christmas eating ham on christmas, Christmas caroling and decorating the Christmas tree comes from. and when Christians coverted the pagan they Christianized these customs that were originally pagan." how do I respond to this when almost every website says that is where Christmas came from? Thanks in advance :)Maxxjadegirlnoreply@blogger.com