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I wanted to go over some great points made by jdposey from the Below Top Secret forum, in his/her Deceitful Conspiracy of Ronald Weinland post, and follow with some comments of my own. Underlined & Bolded emphasis in RED, mine;

Topic started on 27-2-2008 @ 12:02 PM by jdposey

Content from external source: For that matter, none of the Book of Revelation was written so that just anyone reading it could understand. It has to be revealed through God’s servants, and most of it was reserved to be revealed at this end-time through God’s end-time prophet— me. (Ronald Weinland: 2008 God’s Final Witness, Page-87)

Content from external source: Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophesy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand. (Revelation 1:3) Behold, I come quickly: blessed is he that keepeth the sayings of the prophecy of this book.(Revelation 22:7)

JDPOSEY: Here again, is Mr. Weinland thinking more of himself than he should, or, do we take note of his previous statement regarding boldness, confidence and clarity and hand complete authority over to him, assuming we are hopeless and without capability of understanding the contents regarding the Book of Revelation? Given the scriptural references above, “Blessed is he that readeth” and “Blessed is he that keepeth,” the two scriptures mention nothing in regard to Mr. Weinland’s statement that the Book of Revelation was written in such a way that not just anyone could understand it.The only obvious handicap would be to those who refuse to “hear the words.” Like V3 of Revelation 1 states, “Blessed is the one who reads, hears, and keeps. If that were not possible, like Mr. Weinland wants to lead his readers to believe, then I believe we would find that indicated in the Book of Revelation. Not to mention, we would also find the verse which advises us to “wait for the appointed one,” after all Mr. Weinland states: and most of it (Book of Revelation) was reserved to be revealed at this end-time through God’s end-time prophet— me.

SEEKERS COMMENT: So let's understand this; No one REALLY knows what the Bible means, but Ron DOES! Hmm, how fortunate for people. *Sarcastically*; You know - since God only works with prophets, and doesn't provide us with the Counselor, the Holy Spirit! *KNOCK KNOCK* HELLO!* Is God a liar? Then why do you act like the ripped curtain has been put back up? Why would you think that the HOLY SPIRIT is not CAPABLE of causing you to grow spiritually when you study at home, just you, GOD & JESUS?! Because Ron SAID SO? Is he God? Then why do you allow him to STAND BETWEEN YOU AND GOD? I'd be willing to bet you don't even remember him saying this, do you?

posted on 27-2-2008 @ 12:11 PM by jdposey

Content from external source: The First Thunder is the beginning terror of war The Second Thunder is the increasing destruction generated by earthquakes. The Third Thunder is the growing destructiveness from weather. The Fourth Thunder is global economic upheaval The Fifth Thunder is death The Sixth Thunder is the growing revelation of God’s end-time witnesses. That revelation is that I am the spokesman of God’s two end-time prophets. The Seventh Thunder is the accelerated revelation of God to man.

JDPOSEY: Are we to believe that the very signs which Jesus spoke almost 2000 years ago concerning his return and the end of the age (end-time) have now become something NEW because Mr. Weinland chose to squeeze them into the sealed seven thunders, somewhat revamping them? Even his mentor, Herbert W. Armstrong was not as bold as Mr. Weinland. At least he had some reservation in his self deception. Mr. Weinland has loosed the boundaries of deception, exceeding any fallacies that Mr. Armstrong might have incurred.
If you follow Mr. Weinland’s thinking process regarding the Seven Thunders being the very signs which Jesus gave to his disciples, and then try to compare that thinking to Revelation 10:4 where John is advised to seal and not write these Seven thunders down, then you have to ask yourself, better yet, ask Mr. Weinland, “If these thunders are no more than the signs which Jesus gave to his disciples, and were evident even to John, who personally heard these signs spoken by Jesus, don’t you believe there would have been no need for John to seal them, if they were something already known by John and many others? The fact is, the Seven Thunders have nothing to do with the signs which Jesus gave to His disciples, and for Mr. Weinland to lead people astray in thinking they are, not only is he responsible for his own deception but also for deceiving his readers.

SEEKERS COMMENT: This is a very logical and legitimate point, and COG-PKG members should be asking this very question! WHY would John be told to seal up the thunders if all they consisted of, were the VERY signs that Jesus gave to His disciples? Amplified or not.

Content from an external source: If you believe anything about God other than what is written in this book, then you do not know the true God of Abraham... This book reveals God’s plan and purpose being worked out on this earth, and therefore, it reveals the true God!...Time is not on your side any longer. You have before you true life and death decisions that must be made quickly if you have any hope of sharing in that new age. (Ronald Weinland: 2008 God’s Final Witness, pages 243, 244)

JDPOSEY: Look at the dilemma Mr. Weinland leaves his readers in! They have ONLY two choices. One, if you believe anything other than what is written in his book, then you do not know God. Second, (FEAR) Time is running out, life and death decision must be made NOW. Let me sum up what Mr. Weinland is saying: Time is of the essence, unless you accept that I am one of the Two Witnesses, receive everything I have written in this book, by way of Church of God-PKG doctrinal teaching and the fearful warning as I have laid out, there is no hope for you, you will be lost!

SEEKERS COMMENT: Wow! What a pair! What a big pair, to say that we should believe nothing about God other than what is written in his book! No thanks! I'm sticking with God's Book! I'm not falling for that deception! The Bible already warned me about people like this - and I paid attention. The Bible tells us that if we know God's Word, we can't be tricked.

So, yeah, I DO believe things about God other than what is written in Ron's book. In fact, what I believe, I got from THE Book; The Bible!

It is ALSO interesting that, according to Ron's statement, the only way to know the TRUE God of Abraham, is to read RON'S book! Ron's! - No, not GOD'S book - but RON'S! So, we don't know God, because what we believe, we got from the Bible & NOT from Ron's book! I say again; what a pair!

The BIBLE is THE BOOK that reveals God's plan and purpose being worked out on the earth!

Ron's book has become like the Book of Mormon! Ron's book, like the Book of Mormon, supercedes the Bible. Yes, the Bible has become secondary. And, by the way, so has God, because according to Ron; we can't study at home, 'just me and God and Jesus' and somehow grow spiritually. Spiritual growth can only be accomplished through listening to Ron! Of course! How else can he gain and maintain control? He knows he will lose anyone who knows their Bible.

"I am not duped!" Let me ask you this; How can you be duped if you know you're duped? If someone has been duped - obviously - they do not know it! Do you think duped people know they're duped? Of course not, that's practically an oxymoron; the duped saying they're not duped. Would you expect someone to say; "I'm being duped."? You can't be duped and know it, otherwise, you're not being duped. See the dilemma?

Why would you continue following Ron, when he's had to create a BRAND NEW timeline because ABSOLUTELY NOTHING HE SAID, HAS ACTUALLY OCCURED! You wouldn't.

Remember how some of you said you could see that we're in the Tribulation, you saw it because you had the eyes to see, because you must have the Holy Spirit to see, to know? What happened to that Tribulation? Well, Ron said, oops, don't worry I'll fix it, I'll just create a new timeline and hope something happens in 2008 or this is really going look bad, after all it IS the name of my book!

Everything in his FIRST time line has passed now. Day 90 of his 45 to 90 days was yesterday; July 16th. Since the 7 Thunders were to have all sounded. As the blogs pointed out from the beginning; Ron Weinland is a false prophet. We told you that the ONLY so-called "thunder" anyone was AWARE of, was the event that had already taken place when Ron began his books; 9/11, which he claimed to be the 1ST Thunder. Of course EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT 9/11 IS. But WHAT OF THE OTHER 6? Nothing. Why? Ask yourself. The entire world was glued to their televisions on 9/11. Was the entire world glued to them for the other 6 which were to INCREASE IN INTENSITY? No. They were not. They never happened, just as the blogs said from the start, despite the fact that some of you could see that we were in the Tribulation that Ron later said did not happen after all.

How many times does he have to change his story (timeline) before the lights come on? Will you stick with him after 2008 has passed and the title of his book is outdated, I mean; it would mean God gave him the wrong year and thus the wrong title for his book? Which do you choose? Truth, or fiction? If your eye is on the goal, you can only want one thing; TRUTH. No other road leads to the Kingdom of God.

I could make some "prophesies" and keep changing the date (as all false prophets have done) until something similar to my prediction finally happened and then say; "See? I was telling you the truth!" The problem is; When God says something will happen, it will happen just as He said. If the date I gave rolled around and nothing happened - walk away, because it was not of God!

COG-PKG members, do you REALLY, NOT see a problem here? I can only conclude that you do not put any time or effort into researching what Ron calls truth!! Because, if you did, you'd see right through his deceit. You CANNOT ride somebody's coat-tail into the kingdom of God! It is YOUR responsibility to verify what is and isn't TRUTH! You can't just pull a chair up to the desk or table on Saturday, take notes about what Ron says, then close your Bible and notebook and walk away!!! It just DOES NOT work that way! You MUST research these so-called "truths" of Ron's, as the noble Bereans did, BEYOND the scriptures Ron gives you! If you did that, you'd have a shocking revelation, because you'd be surprised to see just how EASY it is to prove Ron a FALSE teacher, let alone, prophet! All it takes is effort. You're not following God, you're following Ron; a man.

God wants to know "who is he who will DEVOTE himself to be CLOSE to me?" Jer. 30:21. You can't devote yourself to God, if you have devoted yourself to following Ron!

1Co. 1:12 "...One of you says, "I follow Paul"; another, "I follow Apollos"; another, "I follow Cephas (Peter)"; still another, "I follow Christ." 13 Is Christ divided? Was Paul crucified for you? Were you baptized into the name of Paul? 14 I am thankful that I did not baptize any of you..., 15 so no one can say that you were baptized into my name... 17 For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel—not with words of human wisdom, lest the cross of Christ be emptied of its power.

Which Ron has done by;

• denouncing WHO Christ Jesus IS! Claiming that He was CREATED!!! And by;
• teaching Old Covenant - which alienates you from Jesus, making Him of no use to you; Gal. 5:2 "Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised [reliance on Old Covenant], Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 But by faith we eagerly await through the Spirit the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.

I can only wonder if;

1) You haven't REALLY read his book, or

2) You didn't understand what Ron was saying in his book, or

3) You've never really dug into your Bible before, so you just can't tell what's truth and what's not, or

4) You are, regrettably, not following the example of the Bereans, or

5) Perhaps, because you've studied your Bible some time in your past, you don't feel it's necessary to do so your entire life, or

6) Maybe you don't have the time or energy - that could be quite costly in the end, or

7) a combination of any of the above.

You've been robbed of WHO JESUS IS! - How amazing for God to give up His Deity to take on the lowly, disgusting form of a human, imagine. To feel the physical pain of torture, for us...His creation. His VERY unworthy, selfish, greedy, mean, spiteful, stealing, murdering, warring, nasty, nasty creation. It's not like He gave up His Deity to come down and save some noble, righteous people...but to save a people who aren't worthy to exist.

I am bewildered and concerned for you all.

You can no longer allow a man to stand between you and God. You've put your trust in Ron, so of what value is the Holy Spirit? Ron says you cant grow spiritually at home, just you and God and Jesus. He tells you that you must rely on him, and this, you have done. When do you begin relying on God Himself? I pray God will soon lead you to His Truth and away from Ron's lies.

p.26 of 2008 GFW (emphasis mine):

"One of the harshest realities people can face is to learn that they have been lied to about their religious beliefs--that they have been deceived. This is one of the most difficult barriers in life to break. People instinctively defend their beliefs because they are foundational to their entire outlook on life--the core of their decision making process in all matters of life.
Lying--deception--is one of the most refined character flaws of mankind."

Well, I do agree with that.
The problem with protecting something because it is a longstanding thing means you are sacrificing truth. I have said it before, I say it again; Why why why, would you sacrifice truth for a longstanding, time-invested lie?

Herbert didn't have truth. He was a sinful man who knowingly continued, for ten long years, in a very disgusting sin. He did not understand covenants, he didn't understand the Bible, and he plagiarized the large majority of his literature.
 
So many of the splinter groups proudly proclaim that they still teach the teachings of Herbert. Well... how about the teachings of Jesus? The teachings of the Bible?
 
You know you don't need to follow ANYONE but Jesus. You know you need to go to Him for the Word. You know you need to go to Him for the truth.


It is said that Herbert was the "End-Time Elijah." The problem is;
Elijah was a PROPHET.
1 Kings 18:36 "... the prophet Elijah stepped forward and prayed..."


But when calling people on Herbert's failed prophesies, we hear the patented excuse;
"Herbert's 'predictions' were wrong, because he wasn't a prophet, he was an apostle!"

Well, you can't have it both ways - He was either the end-time Elijah or he was an apostle. One, or the other. Not both.
It is not possible to be the end-time-Elijah, and NOT be a prophet! If he's not a prophet, he's not an Elijah. This is simple logic. Simple reasoning.

Let's see what the Bible says;

Malachi 4:5 "See, I will send you the prophet Elijah before that great and dreadful day of the LORD comes.


People tend to hear only that which supports their own ideas and ignore contradictory evidence; in psychology, this is known as confirmation bias.

If you don't believe anything on this blog, it is a tell. In other words; I, therefore, know that you actually did not take out your Bible and study the information or ask God for guidance in your search. If you did, then you are guilty of the previous paragraph and really have no interest in the truth, rather, your interest is in protecting what you think to be true.

You know what I find interesting? And this is quite telling; I have noticed a pattern in people. Setting aside Christianity and looking at life in general, this is what I see- Some people have a particular trait; they want to be the best person they can be. I don't mean the best at their job or whatever, I mean the best Mom or Dad they can be, or the best spouse they can be, or the best friend they can be, etc. and therefore they are honest with themselves. They don't defend or deny when they are wrong about who said "I will fight no more forever" or make excuses when they turned right when they should have turned left, or deny the outcome of a scientific experiment or study. Why? Because they know that if they make excuses or deny the mistake, they cannot truly learn, they cannot grow, and if they cannot grow or learn, they cannot become the person they wish to be.

How about you? Are you the person who denies or defends a mistake? Or do you admit and say "Wow, I could have sworn it was (whatever), Hmm, you learn something everyday!" This is the way to growth. If you are the person who denies and makes excuses, you are less interested in truth and more interested in pride, saving face, etc.

If you are the individual who is honest with yourself, then you are honest in all aspects in your life, unless you have some area you've not become aware of yet. This means you are honest in you study of God's word as well. Why? Because you want truth. You don't want to delude yourself. You're not interested in living lies or living in the dark. You get no joy out of a game when your opponent lets you win, because you know it's not a win. There are some, however, who will delude themselves and say "I won!" and deny that they were given the win. They don't care. They don't mind living the lie.

With this type of individual, how do you think Bible study would go for them? Will they be in search of, interested in, truth, or will they also delude their self in this most important aspect of their life? Will this person be more interested in pride, saving face, etc. thus, living a lie and remaining in the dark?

Personally, regardless of the aspect of life; Christianity or any other aspect aside from Christianity, scientific or personal, I don't understand how or why an individual would be willing to or could live like that. I simply cannot relate. Never, would I want to live a lie in any aspect of my life.
Surely, you don't either.

Your instructor can tell you the result of an equation, and if you are lazy and truly don't care, you will accept the information as fact, after all, she is the instructor. However, if you are not lazy, and you do care, you will not take the instructors word for it, but you will work out the equation and prove it to yourself!
Surely, this is you.

“In short, works is not a good theology,
but sound theology is never devoid of good works.”

“God has not confined Himself within the narrow limits of any school of doctrine – high, low or moderate. He has revealed Himself. He has told out the deep and precious secrets of His heart. He has unfolded His eternal counsels, as to the Church, as to Israel, the Gentiles, and the wide creation. Men might as well attempt to confine the ocean in buckets of their own formation as to confine the vast range of divine revelation within the feeble enclosures of human systems of doctrine. It cannot be done, and it ought not to be attempted. Better far to set aside the systems of theology and schools of divinity and come like a little child to the eternal fountain of Holy Scripture, and there drink in the living teachings of God’s Spirit.” (C.H. Mackintosh, The Mackintosh Treasury, Miscellaneous Writings by C.H. Mackintosh, (Loizeaux Brothers, New Jersey, 1976), 605.)