tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post2048662095848907327..comments2024-03-20T16:53:46.636-04:00Comments on AS BEREANS DID: On Nimrod and Christmas Trees - part IMarthahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12438486498450616814noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-91459527032421415532020-05-09T10:25:55.644-04:002020-05-09T10:25:55.644-04:00BTW a paper written at Academia.com tries to prove...BTW a paper written at Academia.com tries to prove a certain woman is Shulgi's wife not AmarPal's wife and so is the mother of AmarPal. One of the many kings mistaken and claimed and demanding by scholars to be Nimrod though Nimrod dies ta 500 in 1770bc on April 22, and AmarPal or Amar-Sin the son of Shulgi (Dungi or king bullcrap) died at 215. My clarity popped up to say to the guy, YOU have just proven AmarPal is the king who married his mother. Before now (2020) the claim was false because it said Semetic Shem-Ramis (twice 251) or Greek Semi-Ramis (twice 235) is her name. This is false because Semiramis the (January 6) winter dove-bird is the planet Venus (July 10 Phoenix summer fire-bird) and is always both mother of the king coronating him, and then wife of the king to mother the people. But now here we have AmarPal (ruled 1943-1934bc, Abram's 75 to 84, and Sodom war 1936 in year 7 when Abram was 82) is the king who married his mother in 1943bc (real-time thought here adding to another reason Abram left Ur; how sick when here Abram is desperately trying to get Sarah pregnant for 48 years).Elijahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15977164879781195618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-21542609123976289142020-05-09T10:11:37.684-04:002020-05-09T10:11:37.684-04:00Reading my comments wish i could post a picture be...Reading my comments wish i could post a picture because i said here 63 bodies (wives of two men) and 4 guards as as 67 people, but been using 68, and here i have 68 wives and 6 guards in my records.So now go to my diagram form the books where they are numbered? Okay 74 people 6 guards and 68 wives in the first (May 6) Christ Mass of (2029bc) date Kayak 25 where death was May 5 Eve Kayak 24.<br /><br />My knowledge has evolved to know the father is Mesh,and the son is A (either upward it means ascend up to heaven, or downward it means descent from heaven). Ascent up means from earth they go to heaven, but descent down means authority brought down to earth and given them, as the light form the stars Anu (An-Nu) entity-Nu, (Noe, Noah, New, Now). Thus as Peleg the city-father Mesh-Anu-Pater (Mesanipada) or Father anoints son 2207bc (764-10-01 of Feb 28) Reu (Chinese Yu) to rule as A-Anu-Pater (Aanipada)to rule new year 765 (May 29), so too Nahor is then Mesh-Kalumdug, and grandsom Haran is A-Kalumdug for this 2029bc May 5 suicide; which i had reversed in 1984 for not seeing it was the same order as Peleg and Reu.<br /><br />Greeks make Dec 25 the 1st day the ark makes 40-day rapture upward as Flood 2958bc Dec 25 because it is date Kayak 25, but they get this false belief from 1498bc Kayak 25 on Dec 25(to Candle Mass Feb 2), by rejecting Noah going to heaven as 2021bc Dec 25 and claiming that is Nimrod at age 500, born in year 450. Another wrong date for Nimrod's death at 500 is 2127bc Dec 25 from 2627bc from Hindu 3077bc Flood (Laptarshi/Saptarshi), but this is also claimed his birth to 500 dying as the name Amizaduga in Babylon 1626bc. Haran-Marduk 1627bc (Dec 10), or Babel-Marduk 1625bc (Nov 29). The Dec 25 date of 2127bc is a true anointing as date 846-10-01 for new year 847 (March 25) by Shah (Shar or Sar) Reu (Chinese Yu) of his son Serug =Sar-Reu(g) with the name Kiag or Kiang (King, German Konig). Grandson Terah was 21born in 2148bc, but GrandPa-Ark (patriarch) is presumedas Terah's birth in 2127bc (see Jasher, see Usher)who match from 2349bc Flood to Terah 2057bc at 70 as firstborn son debate.Elijahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15977164879781195618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-47820028830677592122019-12-17T21:21:35.729-05:002019-12-17T21:21:35.729-05:00On Nimrod and Christmas Trees - Part II
On Nimrod...<a href="http://asbereansdid.blogspot.com/2011/01/on-nimrod-and-christmas-trees-part-ii.html" rel="nofollow">On Nimrod and Christmas Trees - Part II</a><br /><br /><a href="http://asbereansdid.blogspot.com/2011/01/on-nimrod-and-christmas-trees-part-iii.html" rel="nofollow">On Nimrod and Christmas Trees - Part III</a>xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-53707348541036924502019-12-17T08:13:00.235-05:002019-12-17T08:13:00.235-05:00Wheres part 2?Wheres part 2?Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06421270113264300602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-47397427314114828762018-12-24T03:41:08.953-05:002018-12-24T03:41:08.953-05:00This is so false,it is 70s thinking. The 1970s is ...This is so false,it is 70s thinking. The 1970s is merely a decade where they realized the USA had schools that lied to you. Then they become teachers and tell their students it's all a lie.Elijahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15977164879781195618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-8394995940384207932018-11-26T19:13:27.637-05:002018-11-26T19:13:27.637-05:00A professor in a philosophy class I took in the 70...A professor in a philosophy class I took in the 70's said "everything you know is wrong", we live on a planet of bullpoop, the stories have changed to suit the writer's interpretation of events. Like standing ten people in a line and whispering a story to the first person, then that person tells the story to the next, so on and so forth, and at the end, the last person tells the story, which is very different than the first. This is how history developed. Who do you really believe? Look at the Bible, why do you think they call it the greatest "story" ever told? It's a human construct to control the masses. All Christmas is now is a marketing bananza.daddiohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13758580399216704904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-42665845144318992622015-12-23T19:04:46.314-05:002015-12-23T19:04:46.314-05:00Who was the man who had people put up a Christmas ...Who was the man who had people put up a Christmas tree in honor of himself or if they didn't he would have their first born killedlindahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03287556309173402376noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-43707606899402159482013-02-25T11:50:27.345-05:002013-02-25T11:50:27.345-05:00I agree, Anonymous. They do that very thing. And w...I agree, Anonymous. They do that very thing. And without any documented proof. In fact, <b>contrary</b> to documented proof.<br /><br />If it were true, then why do they need to lie about it and use bad sources and falsified claims?<br /><br />Please, do not feel bad for discussing Christmas here. I don't mind. Just glad we could be of some help to you.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-40291008643145619642013-02-24T16:40:10.202-05:002013-02-24T16:40:10.202-05:00Many also make this a salvation issue. "Your ...Many also make this a salvation issue. "Your eternal destiny depends on this," they assert. Moreover they go on to make something evil out of every Christmas tradition like the Santa hat is supposedly "Mithra's Phrygian cap" and the star "on top of the tree is a pentagram" and "Mithra was born on December 25th" and "priests attached their "balls to trees" and all that stuff. Please excuse my speaking of Christmas a little too much although Christmas is gone. Thanks again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-62149452041844335402013-02-21T10:58:57.717-05:002013-02-21T10:58:57.717-05:00Oh, I couldn't agree with you more that there ...Oh, I couldn't agree with you more that there are people who will try to escape everything I've written with all sorts and forms of excuses! I have personally experienced it so very many times. Both here and on other venues. That is both unfortunate and unavoidable.<br /><br />At that point, I would stand on evidence. I would respond with, "You may disagree, but at least I have evidence and documented sources for my claims. Where are yours? IF Nimrod is the real origin, then prove it!"<br /><br />Because the fact is, they cannot prove it. They can assert and claim and excuse, but they cannot prove.<br /><br />Their only source for any Nimrod claim (if they even have a source) is eventually going to trace back to Alexander Hislop, who has been proven wrong over and over and over again.<br />Some people have cited websites, and those trace back to Hislop. Some people have cited publications, and those trace back to Hislop. Some people have cited YouTube videos, and those trace back to Hislop. No matter what they claim about Nimrod, if they bother to cite a source at all, their "evidence" always leads back to Alexander Hislop.<br /><br />And notice the centuries-wide gaps in their "evidence". Xerxes (around 500 BC) got it from Nimrod (around 2000 BC BC), and that's how the Germans got it (1500's AD).<br /><b>Thousands</b> of years of gaps there. <br />None of it explained. None of it documented. And all of it packaged along with other material that has been proven false taken from sources that have been proven false to reach a conclusion that is supposedly true???xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-18776496383438298202013-02-21T02:08:39.991-05:002013-02-21T02:08:39.991-05:00I agree with you but there are some people I know,...I agree with you but there are some people I know, who will try to escape this fact (if Xerxes was the origin then it can't be Nimrod) by saying,"Well, Nimrod is the real tree decorating origin but Xerxes and Bacchus are the copiers of Nimrod just following his tree tradition." Does this make any sense at all what they are saying? Thanks again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-28797869597516091912013-02-19T14:40:54.489-05:002013-02-19T14:40:54.489-05:00History of Herodotus, Book 7, verse 31:
"31....History of Herodotus, Book 7, verse 31:<br /><br />"31. Where it quits Phrygia and enters Lydia the road separates; the way on the left leads into Caria, while that on the right conducts to Sardis. If you follow this route, you must cross the Maeander, and then pass by the city Callatebus, where the men live who make honey out of wheat and the fruit of the tamarisk. Xerxes, who chose this way, found here a plane-tree so beautiful, that he presented it with golden ornaments, and put it under the care of one of his Immortals. The day after, he entered the Lydian capital."<br /><br />So, yes Herodotus does show that Xerxes passed a "<a href="http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/462985/plane-tree" rel="nofollow">Plane Tree</a>", which is a Sycamore, and he supposedly did decorate it.<br /><br />Now, what this had to do with a Christmas tree has yet to be determined.<br /><br />The tree was a deciduous tree, not an evergreen. It was not cut down. It was not brought into a home. The time of year was not winter. The act was not religious. Nor was it ever repeated again.<br /><br />I suspect that Xerxes has a special love for Plane Trees since a wealthy man named Pythius had once given Xerxes father, Darius, a golden Plane Tree. This same Pythius also funded Xerxes war.<br />Nothing says this outright. It's just my speculation. Could be very wrong.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-70723352486819785162013-02-19T14:26:45.009-05:002013-02-19T14:26:45.009-05:00Elijah,
Granted this can really get to a certain ...Elijah,<br /><br />Granted this can really get to a certain extreme. I agree. But people have worries. They want to know for a fact that if they do such and such a thing, is it in honor of some pagan god or is it in honor of Christ. I think it's a valid thing to wonder. <br />At least, to a point.<br /><br />I have answered the question for myself a couple years ago, when the lengths to which people had to go got so far-fetched it was definitely absurd. <br />But if it helps someone to silence those little voices in their mind that nag at them, I'm willing to take a few minutes out of my day to look up some obscure, arcane fact.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-1670994695611737532013-02-19T12:05:29.425-05:002013-02-19T12:05:29.425-05:00Look this is getting ludicrous. God decoates trees...Look this is getting ludicrous. God decoates trees with fruit and flowers and nuts, and you want to know who did it first. How is it you think some king commanded it be done before anyone did it. Is this not like saying no one married until a king created a license. Is it not like saying who was the first man to kiss his mother? I cannot imagine decorating a tree just for fun did not exist before some command or holiday or king? Was there a first broom, did it have a handle, and who was the first witch whore to ride one? LUDICROUS and wasteful vanity when other corruptions are far worse and you worry who started it instead of the fact it once did not exist, and someone should purge it.Elijahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15977164879781195618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-3327696526111522182013-02-19T10:39:38.438-05:002013-02-19T10:39:38.438-05:00Oh, I have not seen anything disrespectful about y...Oh, I have not seen anything disrespectful about your comments! It is always a healthy thing to investigate a matter. Nothing disrespectful about that.<br /><br />I have not read Herodotus regarding Xerxes. Or at least I haven't read it in so long I really can't recall the details. I will have to look it up again before I can comment too much.<br /><br />But my initial comment would be that if Xerxes did invent the Christmas tree, then it wasn't Nimrod nor any of the other sources cited previously. This claim would have the effect of disproving all other claims.<br /><br />Also, we would then have to set out finding some evidence that links this act by Xerxes on the Iranian plateau to the Germans of the 15th century.<br /><br />In the mean time, I'm off to dig up Herodotus!xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-66337028196820689432013-02-19T02:48:58.763-05:002013-02-19T02:48:58.763-05:00Thanks and I don't intend to be disrespectful....Thanks and I don't intend to be disrespectful. Didn't Xenofon talk about this? Herodotus describes how Xerxes, during his long campaign against the Greeks in 480 B.C., stopped on the royal route and saw a plane tree, the sacred tree of the Iranian plateau, which was so majestic and beautiful that he decorated it with golden ornaments? Ornaments? Thanks again, please do respond.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-50582087658219819412013-02-14T15:56:57.529-05:002013-02-14T15:56:57.529-05:00Maybe it was the golden rod and hickory nuts of Yu...Maybe it was the golden rod and hickory nuts of Yule GibbonsElijahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15977164879781195618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-86372815852497678862013-02-14T12:26:05.715-05:002013-02-14T12:26:05.715-05:00Hi GB!
I understand that outside of Rome the prie...Hi GB!<br /><br />I understand that outside of Rome the priests of Cybele (called Galli) were eunuchs. That much is apparently true. But I have not read anything that I would consider authoritative or trustworthy that claims the priests would nail their testicles to a tree of Attis. That claim seems to be made up.<br /><br />In fact, this very practice of castration was outlawed in Rome. If castration was limited to the priesthood outside of Rome, and ordinary Romans were forbidden to emasculate themselves, then I find it highly improbable that the practice was so common among the general public that it made its way to us on the Christmas tree.<br /><br />So, as far as I can tell you, that claim has every sign of being false.<br /><br />As for the claim of that practice being where Christmas tree ornaments originally came from, that is demonstrably false. The history of ornaments is known.<br /><br />The ornaments had nothing to testicles. They had everything to do with fruit. Fruit and treats were hung by the Germans on the early Christmas trees. Apples specifically were used because they represented the fruit on the two trees in the Garden of Eden. <br />Real fruit became craft-work fruit, and that became decorated objects of all sorts.<br />There exists no small amount of historical documentation to show this out. What doesn't exist at all, however, is any evidence to display any link between testicles and ornaments. Ra, Attis, or otherwise.<br /><br />Keep in mind "Balls" is an English word. No one calls the ornaments "balls" but the English and no one calls testicles "balls" but the English. The ornaments and the tree are not English. <br /><br />It seems to me that what the people you read did is they saw a link between testicles and ornaments in the modern English word "balls", then they transferred that backwards in time 2,000 years to a completely different language and culture. I have a major issue with that.<br /><br />I had never even thought to ask what profanity the Latins used for testicles, but a quick search leads me to believe they didn't relate testicles with "balls". So apparently the link really is only in the modern English.<br /><br />I have read a few things about Ra castrating himself. But Ra was a crazy jumble of a lot of things that changed over time. I would go so far as to say there wasn't just one Ra, but many.<br />So we must ask, which Ra? When? Where? Was it really that popular? And, of course, can we demonstrate any link between Ra (or Attis) and the Germanic Christmas tree? <br /><br />I dare say we cannot.<br /><br />Hope that helps GB! May God continue to bless you as you search.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-44521046989024180102013-02-14T10:57:29.422-05:002013-02-14T10:57:29.422-05:00Very dangerous to say, same thing and not the same...Very dangerous to say, same thing and not the same thing. Is it proper to call a broom handle as phallic and then ban your women from flying off on broom handles? Ban the broom? Should we ban the sun from crossing the horizon or crossing overhead? Do you measure the noon sun at sunrise? Can the whole world watch the sunrise at noon. Or is that like saying happy hour somewhere in the world and the time is 420. This is why semantics (confusion in language) is linked to deliberately rebelling. Even good intent is witch-hunting the planted wheat that Jesus said leave it alone, dont kill the children, let them grow. We look at nipping in the bud as preventing rapid corruption, yet anyone will eventually become evil anyways if they dont have a true heart to avoid it. Jesus included the example of his own death as the good people seeking to find fault and kill others for God. So is Tamuz also Adonis? yes they are both Mars. And yet Tamuz means the Tau of Damuzi (crossing of Damuzi in absent death behind the sun), and Mars means The Son, and Adonis means The Lord. American Ra or British Re is (sun) Ray born on day 40 of the Flood when the water canopy was gone. Ray is the days when the sun makes shadows that draw precision lines. If the sun is a blur in stratus clouds then it is not Ray today. To hear people talk about the balls of the sun and his penis is like factory talk where they love talking about the nuts and bolts and maybe one of the women is looking for a long one. It is rebellious trash people and the evangelical accusation against the Catholic Church merely joins the filth though opposing it. They create filth that was not there. The 12th dynasty of Egypt (1943-1730bc) did not have this filth. It is a post 12th dynasty behavior that eventually raised Moses who did learn from school what the Egyptians failed to and yet all got their diplomas. January should be named after Moses not Jannes because Jannes is a lying thief the way Edison stole it all from Tesla and has his name all over too. For a certainty the Christmas 2021bc Dec 25 is the Greek date of Noah's death in year 349 after the Flood 2370bc, and by making Noah's birth in 2970bc the reconstructed Flood, they claimed that it was Nimrod who died in year 949 that same date in 2021bc Dec 25 at age 500. In this way they ptake Nimrod's birth 100 years after the Flood andthey make it 100 years after Noah's death. So they steal the claim that Noah went to heaven, and they say its the lie that Nimrod went to heaven. BOTH are wrong, like evangelists who accuse Catholics of penis worship in doctrine, while they bash moral society and still slip up in fornications like any elder or any minister. It's the same boat, all guilty. If this asteroid takes orbit early Saturday your days are numbered awaiting the blood of Lamb. Jesus is the groom, and the bride dies the same way he did. God offered his son, now the son offers his wife.Elijahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15977164879781195618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-76342694470248110722013-02-13T19:20:31.634-05:002013-02-13T19:20:31.634-05:00I understand your points but I am still curious. I...I understand your points but I am still curious. I checked some sources and some of them said that men would castrate their "balls" to the tree of Attis and this is where our tree "balls" came from. People say it doesn't matter when the Hilaria was, it's the "concept" they are concerned about. Is this valid reasoning and are these information credible? Michael Rood says that Ra castrated himself and people would kneel before the tree, the phallic symbol. Please do correct me if I'm wrong. TY for your time again. GB.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-57825312246074068332013-01-30T15:04:58.055-05:002013-01-30T15:04:58.055-05:00Tammuz and Adonis are pretty much the exact same t...Tammuz and Adonis are pretty much the exact same thing.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-84997556908020285502013-01-25T19:12:53.777-05:002013-01-25T19:12:53.777-05:00What about Tammuz? Wasn't he born on December ...What about Tammuz? Wasn't he born on December 25th and a tree was included? I have come across article claiming this.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-83428648239078987402013-01-07T15:52:05.705-05:002013-01-07T15:52:05.705-05:00Virgil said that they hung images of Bacchus on tr...Virgil said that they hung images of Bacchus on trees, yes. And that is all that he said. <br />The tradition apparently was one where people would tie ropes to trees and swing from them. However, to prevent from getting hurt, they started tying images of Bacchus to the tree so he could hang there.<br /><br />This Bacchus tradition does not seem to flow out of the Egyptian traditions.<br /><br />I see no direct correlation between that and the Christmas tree either. What's more, if this is the true origin, then it cannot be any of the other things people claim.<br /><br />I require a lot more than mere what barely even seems to be surface similarity. That a tree was involved is insufficient for me. There has to be an actual line of evidence leading from one place (Bacchus, Rome, 100 BC) to another place (Christmas, Germany, 1500's AD).<br /><br />I mean no offense when I say this but it appears to me to be a very desperate reach to say "didn't a poet say these people do this thing?" and, disregarding the details of what actually went on, from that alone insinuate an entire history of a tradition. Far and away too much is missing.xHWAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01061716053302210598noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-55182719955694560782013-01-05T00:54:22.966-05:002013-01-05T00:54:22.966-05:00Didn't Virgil the poet talk of decorating tree...Didn't Virgil the poet talk of decorating trees for bacchus?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5528158760608808912.post-39269458100470355792012-11-23T21:08:21.081-05:002012-11-23T21:08:21.081-05:00My mistake (the Dec 25 resurrection of Noah having...My mistake (the Dec 25 resurrection of Noah having last fallen asleep on Dec 24 is Persian Mesor 15 and 40th day to Thoth 24 the Zoroaster Christmas eve of Feb 2 in 2020bc). Thus 251-year Gregorian Semiramis to the year Nimrod died at 500 is 1770bc Dec 23 on Paopi 15, and Noah's Christmas Memorial is 2 days later on Paopi 17 (not 16 as this posted error of mine) so this 8-17-600 (2256am) becomes after exodus 2-17-600 in 2256am and results in the false long chronology.Elijahhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15977164879781195618noreply@blogger.com