Do We Need To Be Taught By Others?  

Posted by Seeker Of Truth in , , ,

Ron Weinland has done an excellent job of isolating you, his congregation from the truth of the bible.

1)He has told you it's useless to talk to family or friends if they don't believe what he teaches because they will only try to sway your beliefs.
2)He has told you that you can't study at home and expect to grow spiritually.
3) He has told you that you can only grow spiritually on Saturday/Sabbath.
4)And, he has been saying things like; We
know the truth when we hear it! We don't need to look it up in the bible! (This he has said multiple times in various ways, and that's walking dangerous ground).

I'm going to address #2.

In the announcements preceding his '
Press Forward Spiritually', Pt.3 sermon (2/4/06)

He said, & I quote word for word,
"People think they can do things on their own. We have to be taught. That's why God gave us Sabbaths, to be taught by God. We're not on our own, and where two or three are gathered together doesn't mean we can be on our own to study our bibles and SOOOMMMEHOOOOWW grow spiritually!"
Yes, he got loud and drug out that word.


Ron says how much he loves John, so why is he not familiar with, or maybe he just ignores, these verses:

Jn. 14:
26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

Jn. 14:16 And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another Counselor to be with you forever17 the Spirit of truth.

1Jn.2:
26 I am writing these things to you about those who are trying to lead you astray.
27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit—just as it has taught you, remain in him.

Paul says, in 1 co. 2:
12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words.

And finally,
Mt. 18:
20 For where two or three come together in my name, there am I with them."

Now, if Ron wants to call God a liar... Well... I wouldn't stand too close.

More from Ron:
"...seeing ourself better than what we are. That we can study our own bibles at home by ourselves. Without God feeding us, and we can come through all this. 'It's just God and me and Jesus Christ.' And that goes against what God says. That's disobeying God's law of obedience to the Sabbath. You know just that one thing alone ought to scream out to us. But it hasn't in peoples lives. It's a marvel to me things like this can just continue on."(No comment from me on his constant marveling).

(Seeker Of Truth says sarcastically;)
'How stupid and ridiculous of me! Thinking, of ALL things, that I could get anywhere, to learn anything, just God and me and Jesus Christ! What was I thinking! I
know if I expect to get anywhere or learn anything, I must, of course, listen to Ron! I mean, since the Father and The Son are so incapable - as Ron implies by these statements!'

Do you Not hear his lies!? Aren't
RED flags popping up, warning you to get out!?

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5 comments

Anonymous  

What you have said in his sermon are exact words from him.
Now you don't believe all that now do you.
Ron said we can't learn on our own we have to be taught, By why is he the only one who can do that job.
i found out i learned more on my own and my new study group. He is just like the Mormons. Do as i say and tell you to think. You won't find it on your own or by reading the bible. Am i close?

April 21, 2008 12:02 AM

Anonymous,

What I am saying is that he says he must do the teaching, that it must be on Saturday, and that his congregation cannot learn on their own. I quoted what he said word for word, then I quoted scripture that says otherwise. The scriptures say we DON'T need anyone to teach us because the Holy Spirit teaches all things. I have learned a lot on my own as well. No. No one needs Ron to teach them.

~Seeker Of Truth~

April 21, 2008 1:18 AM

The only verse(s) in John that Weinland is completely in love with is the one that goes "be not conformed to this world", the same way Armstrong did. :-(

You are right on about him telling people not to rely on anyone but him: In his 45 Days to the Seventh Seal sermon on Feb. 9, the memorable quote was "You don’t have to look anything up, you don’t have to go read anything you just know it’s true." He was speaking of British-Israelism, but it clearly was meant to apply to everything, in context.

April 21, 2008 6:57 AM
Richard Saunders  

Ron says these things? Isn't that odd now.

He says Herbert Armstrong had more revealed to him than probably all of the Apostles combined (or something close to that), did he not? Herbert Armstrong claims that no one taught him when he was first called. He got on his knees with his Bible, alone, in study and prayer, to prove the Sabbath. This means not only was Armstrong, Ron's idol and source of authority, alone at home but he was studying on another day than the Sabbath - AND he received the Spirit.

So who is Ron Weinland, then, if his own human leader, teacher, and source of ordination went against every thing he is now saying?

April 21, 2008 9:56 AM
Anonymous  

You make a very good point about the Bereans. They searched, because they heard something that was NEW to them and they searched because they DID NOT have a "preconceived" judgment against what Paul was saying. If we ONLY study what we've ALREADY heard, we are not like the Bereans. We must be willing to "listen" outside what we already believe and THEN study scripture to see if what we heard is true or not.
Anytime a church or organization doesn't want to even "listen" open mindedly to others...they are not like the Bereans.
I don't know if it is a fear, their beliefs won't stand to scrutiny or if they just don't want to take the time to prove what they say they believe.
Truth WILL stand up to scrutiny in scripture.

April 21, 2008 12:04 PM

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